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Turn Raise
W.D. was talking about turn raises yesterday, so I wanted to start looking for hands to post. This was one I thought might be decent to discuss.
Players behind me are tight. Villain is quite loose....somewhere in the 40s. He's semi-aggressive. That's all I've really noticed so far. Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (4.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font> What do you think? |
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Re: Turn Raise
I think I'ts a standard semibluff against one player. Although I agree that SBing is not discussed nearly enough on this forum. I like it, I'd do the same.
JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] |
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Re: Turn Raise
This seems like a good time to attempt the semi-bluff. The interesting thing to me is what to do if you are called and you miss? Do you fire again if checked to? Do you call a donkbet on the river?
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Re: Turn Raise
Edited, I'm dumb. Made some comments related to the hand if players were behind you (postflop) cause I apparently can't read. HU, looks good.
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Re: Turn Raise
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This seems like a good time to attempt the semi-bluff. The interesting thing to me is what to do if you are called and you miss? Do you fire again if checked to? Do you call a donkbet on the river? [/ QUOTE ] That's why I posted the hand. I'm not trying to show any concepts I understand here...I have some mixed thoughts with some concepts with these plays. The Ace does have some showdown value. So, this could be looked at as a free showdown play imo. Then there's the semi-bluff angle as well. Some thoughts as I thought about the hand afterwards. 1. I play a big hand the same way. Villain probably wouldn't notice or care though. 2. I think villain is more likely to have a pair here than a draw. With the rag that fell on the turn, I think the chances of him folding an 8, 9 or some small pp are slim to none. 3. I open myself up for a 3 bet, which would suck something terrible. 4. The only out that I have that would slow him down is an ace. I can probably make 3 bbs if I just wait and will only lose 1 if I just call and can fold to a river bet. 5. Now, I'm face with a series of interesting decisions on the river. Do I bet any card? Do I call a donk? Etc. Honestly, I'm thinking the turn raise may not be a good thing at all. |
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Re: Turn Raise
You play AA this way right? If so I like making this play as a semibluff from time to time. Usually call and sometimes raise and I like it a lot dude.
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Re: Turn Raise
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Usually call and sometimes raise [/ QUOTE ] I think that's probably the key right there. I'm probably more like raise and sometimes misclick. |
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Re: Turn Raise
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Some thoughts as I thought about the hand afterwards. 1. I play a big hand the same way. Villain probably wouldn't notice or care though. 2. I think villain is more likely to have a pair here than a draw. With the rag that fell on the turn, I think the chances of him folding an 8, 9 or some small pp are slim to none. 3. I open myself up for a 3 bet, which would suck something terrible. 4. The only out that I have that would slow him down is an ace. I can probably make 3 bbs if I just wait and will only lose 1 if I just call and can fold to a river bet. 5. Now, I'm face with a series of interesting decisions on the river. Do I bet any card? Do I call a donk? Etc. Honestly, I'm thinking the turn raise may not be a good thing at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with your reasons here and come to the same conclusion that raising the turn isn't that good. The key point here is 1 combined with 2. It's very unlikely that he'll every fold here. If it was the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then I might like it more because he may be able to fold a pair. Or, if the villain was able to c/r the flop as bluff/semi-bluff sometimes as well as be able to lay down on the turn, then I would like it more. In this case, I don't like it. As it went, I don't think I'd bet the river without improvement. I know that's probably the only way you're going to win the pot, but I think he has a better hand that he calls with too often to make a river bet +EV. |
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Re: Turn Raise
Any other thoughts from the day crowd?
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Re: Turn Raise
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Any other thoughts from the day crowd? [/ QUOTE ] It's a good spot for a semi-bluff raise, but maybe the wrong opponent. But he might be check raising a draw, so you're also raising for a free showdown here. Check the river if checked to. |
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