Re: Preflop with 88
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Even snagging the 8, there are a good number of situations where you simply can't make up those bets.
A83 - when you're against non-ace overpairs and/or just overcards
KK8 - paralyzes PFR (maybe most paired boards)
any 4-straight
monotone flops
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It's a tough hand and I hate releasing it, too.
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A83 stands a good chance of hitting one of the two preflop raisers. If one of them has AK/AQ, I can expect lots of bets to make up for those times the first guy has KQ and the second guy has JJ.
KK8 also has the bonus money aspect when I hit AK/KQ over the head with a sledge hammer. The same is true for AA8. QQ8 and lower may be a little different, but if you get down to 558, I expect the action to up again on average (because there are now more overpairs).
4-straights happen.
Monotone happens. But monotone flops will cut down on profit, but I'll still get action if villain holds the high flush card (A or K, sometimes Q). So I don't think villains will freeze up completely.
I wouldn't hate releasing it. If I saw a strong enough argument to convince me that it's not even close to profitable with four players already entering the pot, I'd happily release it.
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