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Just add up your outs subtract them from # unseen cards and divide. GS + FD is 47 - 12 = 35/12 or ~3:1, and you should probably push not call [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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hey thanks! that really was helpful...

actually, i know how to do this, as well as the rule of 4, etc.

the problem is, i don't have time to do the math when i'm 4 tabling, plus the fact that empire gives you 20 seconds to make a decision.

--solids