Re: Flop overbet
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That is a reasonable position if you can back it up with a suggested range of hands or at least an estimate of how often you think TT is good here. Otherwise, it's just a restatement of the idea that you think folding is correct, which is not progress toward a better understanding of this hand.
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This was based on my estimates of the % of the time you are ahead here. Hand ranges come later as you know and were not needed to make my point here
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Any incorrect fold here would be a big FToP mistake (smallest against a monster draw). If you're talking about the range of hands, then according to the above, you believe folding is not a mistake at all. In neither sense would folding be a small mistake. So, please, don't say folding is a small mistake.
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Try really, really hard to follow me this time. You need to have an open mind and think about this from a different point of view. You can’t make perfect folds 100% of the time you play poker. In fact, you make folds to inferior hands every session. Are you now going to argue that you never fold the best hand, even if its K high? Is folding to bets in all of those spots a huge mistake when the best hand happens to be your K high? In each case of the hand, sure. But if you keep trying to make big calls, you’re going to kill yourself in the long run. These bad folds are small mistakes. Your hand is not quite as cut and dry, but it fits into the same category of being marginal and very likely behind.
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Once again, this is not a good argument. That there will be better opportunities later does not mean it is right to pass up a +EV situation now. The question is whether it is +EV, of course.
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Since its not certain that this is a +ev situation and since I believe there is a good chance you lose your stack here (and possibly play sub-optimally as a result) it’s an easy pass. So yes, there are better places to commit your stack in against weak players, like when you have a good chance of having the winning hand Can’t you pick a better place to get your money in than from playing back against a huge bet from an unknown while you hold nothing more than a pair of tens on a 567 board?? Don’t fall into the trap of results-oriented thinking.
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"I'm not in the habit of folding just because my hand is marginal, nor of getting involved because I have a strong hand. The question is how my hand compares with his range of hands, and how much each of us can get paid off."
Level 1: How strong is my hand? Fold weak hands, and bet/raise with strong hands.
Level 2: How does my hand compare with my opponent's hand? Fold when my hand is weaker than my opponent's, and bet/raise when my hand is stronger.
Level 3: What does my opponent think I have? Get my opponent to fold stronger hands he hates, and call with weaker hands he likes.
There are other levels, but I'll stop there.
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I would much rather see this than your philosophy of beating small stakes games.
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Lol, these two quotes look funny next to each other. Especially since they both come from you. I'd love to see the 4th and 5th levels though [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Anyways, I feel like I’m wasting my time here. It seems to me that you had already made up your mind before making this post and was seeking confirmation. I have seen you defend your play simply by saying “what if its AK,” “you sound like an announcer at the bike,” and with other blanket, devil’s advocate statements that give us absolutely no insight into your reasoning. I am glad that you finally threw a couple hand ranges out there. That was a good start.
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