[jedi]

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Do not draw for flushes on a paired flop. As you said in your post, you can be drawing dead.


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And even if you're not drawing dead, you might only be drawing to as little as 3 outs. Example, on a QhQsTs board where you have As4sxx, and you have 2 opponents with Q235 and Q89K (and no spades), only the Js, 7s, and 6s are good cards for you. In low limit Omaha, this is what opened up my eyes to the futility of drawing to flushes and straights on paired boards.

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On the turn you have two types of out. Outs that give you a nut flush without pairing the board or putting three low cards up. These outs will win you the whole pot. You may also have outs that will give you the nut flush without pairing the board but put three low cards on board. These will win you half the pot.

I generally do not try and count outs at the table for play on the flop. There are simply too many two card combinations.

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I think it's important to realize just how different Hold Em flush draws are from Omaha/8 flush draws. Sometimes I even throw away nut flush draws with no other draws because of this (though, that's probably pretty weak). Having nut draws + redraws or nut draws + back-up lows/back-up non-nut highs are way, way better than just having the nut draw.

In Hold em, if you have a nut flush draw, it's usually correct to be betting and raising for value. In Omaha, especially Omaha/8, it's not necessarily the case.

Hmmm, now that I read what I wrote, I'm sure I've been playing wrong for a while now.