[Ray Zee]

they arent so bad, in fact they are quite good. the pro's that dont play them are just rocks. you just have to play them in the right spots like any other hand. they do about like a flush draw does. both are about 2 to 1 dog to an overpair headup. so you need to be live and in control. you also need to know when to give up with these hands and when to push them. with every hand you can always find a better one but that isnt what its all about. its taking each hand independently and making money with the ones that you can. and small straight draws can make you money.