[tylerdurden]

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Are you saying that human rights are scientifically determinable? This I'd like to hear.

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Yes. Human rights follow logically from property rights, which follow logically from self-ownership, which is self-evident.

If you don't own yourself, how can you engage in debate? How can you do research, examine evidence, formulate opinions, and present them? How can the one you are debating listen to your arguments, consider them freely, and accept or reject your arguments if he doesn't have self-ownership?