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Old 07-06-2005, 01:47 PM
GrunchCan GrunchCan is offline
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

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Given all this, I think the decision is between call and fold, and the decision is close. I'd probably fold 3 times for ever time I call in this situation. If there were 4 limpers and then a raise, I'd call very often.

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But i'm calling QJs-87s every time here.

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I agree with your call, but this is a different sort of situation.

In Hero's case, we are reduced to having just 1 way to win a miltiway pot: with the nut flush. The effectiveness of our top-pair hand is reduced to nearly zero.

In the case of QJs-87s, now we have 2 ways to win a multi-way pot: with a non-nut (but likely good) flush, and also with a straight. This improves the values of these hands to more than A9s in this situation. Our top-pair strength is reduced even more than A9s, but we aren't playing in the sort of pot where we're looking for a top-pair scenario. As you said, we need to be able to jettison our made-top-pair hand.
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