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This is one that my roomate says I'm wasting money with this flop call. He's about a 1.5 BB in the party 30/60 and IMO a much better player.

Anyways I've got KK, 5 limpers and a raise on the button. I 3 bet, of course this being LA I don't clear the field instead the UTG+1 caps so it's 7 to the flop.

A 5 8 no backdoor flush draw. UTG bets all call as do I closing the action.

I fold on the blank turn. My friend said my flop call was bad as he thinks there is at least 1 other person holding AK or KQ here and I'm drawing to maybe 1 out or none + factor in the possibility someone has a set of aces.

He said yes quite a few times the pot may lay you the right price but in such circumstances people like myself seem to overestimate their outs (albeit even 2). A possible call he reasoned would be an As Ts Xd where I had a good backdoor draw to the nut straight and/or flush. I didn't see how I could turn down ~35:1 on that flop call not to mention implied if a K turns. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Eh