[peritonlogon]

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no i meant odds. for instance if i'm playing and i have an open ended straight draw (8 outs) on fifth street and it's 1BB into a pot with 8BB in it, 8-1 on my money, am i getting better than 8-1 to improve with my hand? in hold'em on the flop i'd just multiply 8x4 = 32, 100 - 32 = 68/32 = roughly 2-1. hope that clarifies my question some.

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openended Str8 draw is aprox 3-1 on flop not 2-1... I mean... this method seems really flawed(for example, if you have an openended SF draw and 2 overs to a top pair in Holdem that is 21 outs 21*4=84 100-84=16.... you'd be, according to your method, a 5.25-1 favorite which is just not the case) and, more importantly, more difficult than, say, just remebering holdem odds on flop and using a fraction on turn But that probably belongs in the holdem forum.