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Old 05-19-2005, 06:25 AM
Schwartzy61 Schwartzy61 is offline
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Default AF at Ultra-Loose/Passive tables...

I'm currently playing the Sporting Bet .25/.50 tables clearing their free $100. And while I'm hating the variance, I am loving the action at this site. I guess this is what Miller was talking about in SSH when he mentions loose games having 6-8 people on the flop. 75% average to the flop very little pre flop raising going on and generally no aggression post flop without two pair or better. Heck a lot of people are calling down with two pair. You probably get 4 or 5 to the turn calling two bets, and 3 to the river. I've had rivers capped 4 ways. 4 people put in 4 bets on a river with 3 to a flush on the board!!!

In this environment I have had trouble with the overcards obviously and it seems with game conditions such as these drawing hands are where it's at. Also, since just about anyone calls two, but generally never raise it is next to impossible to accurately predict a bet and thus protect your hand in any manner. It seems like you are value betting or calling, chasing a draw.

Such being the case I wonder if you would expect your aggression factor to be lower. At least on the flop, I will generally bet out if my hand looks best but not THE best. And if I have what looks like the absolute best a checkraise always gets everyone to pay two bets. The players here are very easy to read. There aren't any hand histories so it is impossible to check actual numbers. I just feel myself being more passive on the flop and then ramping it up on the turn and river when things look okay.

I was just thinking, the only way to really keep aggression up is to raise in just about any drawing situation building a pot, but a lot of the time those "protecting your hand scenarios" just don't exist. Players call anyway, or there are so many players to the flop, the odds would justify a call anyhow, even when these people have no idea what they are doing. I saw 42o take down two pots in a row, and those people weren't in blinds.

So do these conditions increase or decrease Aggression?

Should probably add, I don't think in 16 hours of play I have seen more than a handful of pots get folded out after the flop. Almost everything goes to the river with at least 3 people...
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