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Old 10-28-2005, 12:35 PM
ellipse_87 ellipse_87 is offline
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Default Re: In SB with 32o; 3 posters check

Let's re-visit this one.

The play, and the post, were made in a bit of a mischievous spirit, and I'm not going to argue that this play was +EV, but some analysis might help us to better define the limits of post-stealing with junk.

The point here is NOT to defend/criticize the play in the original hand, but to explore the outer limits of post-stealing.

I'll ask the question this way...What are some minimum changes in the dynamics of the hand that would be necessary for you to raise these two cards? I assume everyone raises with this hand when they post in the CO and it's folded to them.

Is it simply untenable to steal from the SB with multiple posters?

Asked another way, what's the minimum hand you raise with here? 42o? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The chief considerations in this hand are (1) There are as many as 4.5 SB's worth of dead money in the pot when it gets to us pf. (2) None of the four players in the pot have a good hand. (3) The button and any poster that calls will play poorly post-flop. (4) Raise or fold are the only options, since calling gets us in a 6-way pot looking for a miracle. (5) The probabilty for getting it HU with button is undefined but significantly greater than zero. (6) We're OOP.

Again, this is only to explore the outer range of possiblities when facing multiple posters with junk. Forgive me if you think this is a stupid bump.
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