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Old 10-12-2005, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?

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I want to understand.

Do you believe Life is finite consciousness, and death is infinite unconsciousness?


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YES.

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Great, we are on the same page.

We experience finite unconsciousness regularly, it's called "sleep" (exclude dreams for a moment) and we return to finite consciousness (life) when we wake up from this "sleep".

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"Death's brother, Sleep." - Virgil

"Sleep, those little slices of death, how I loathe them." - Edgar Allan Poe

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All men are equal when they sleep, they care not what they look like, nor decisions they have made in their life before the sleep - some of which the consequences they will face when they wake up from it.

Here's a picture I drew to illustrate:



Both Caesar and SDM do something in their finite consciousness, then they enter finite unconsciousness (represented by the black), then they reemerge to their finite consciousness with memory of who they are, and what they have done before entering finite unconsciousness. (ie- going to sleep)

Caesar remembers (from ante-sleep) the 10 virgins fondly and hopes to repeat the experience (post-sleep), while SDM knows a choice he made prior to going to sleep (ante-sleep) may well have bad consequences today. (post-sleep)

But in sleep, in this finite unconsciousness, both Caesar and SDM are equals. How they look, &amp; what they have done, all means nothing because both of them are deprived of consciousness - and with it identity and memory.

Therefore if Death is the great "infinite unconsciousness", in death both Caesar and SDM are the same - nothing. It matters not that SDM was a thief &amp; mere plebeian or that Caesar slept with 1000 virgins &amp; ruled a mighty empire because both now have no identity for themselves, no memory, &amp; no consciousness.

What they did only matters to the history books, to those still alive (finite consciousness) to read about what they with their lives (finite consciousness) while they had them.

But even the human who reads the book "Of Caesar &amp; SDM", will one day meet the great "infinite unconsciousness" like Caesar &amp; SDM, and if that human is the last human on earth then all human effort exists only on record for another life to find - if another life exists, and if that record exists.

Either way, Caesar, SDM, and the last human don't care, because they unable to care - for to care one needs consciousness, and in death there is no consciousness.
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