i never suggested that I would bet or check in this situation. to be honest against most players i would throw this in the muck preflop with such low implied odds.

all im doing is setting up a situation where you have a decision to make, not suggesting that all the actions leading up to that decision were correct

what im trying to suggest here is that odds work is not nearly as simple as a lot of new people think, its not as easy as saying: i have X outs, therefore i need Y to 1 to make this call....

discounting of outs, back door outs, chances of being ahead, and decisions affecting potential fold equity are all calculations that are incredibly complex and often debatable.

the levels of comprehension involved are massive and i think anyone that truly understands how to use odds throughout a poker hand has one of the biggest and even underrated skills in the game.