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Old 12-14-2005, 09:09 PM
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Default Re: Holocaust Denial

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"The only injustice was the eviction of all those jews 1500 years ago, before there even were any 'Arabs'. More importantly, there has been a continuous significant Jewish community in Israel since the dawn of history. The move of the european jews there was immigration, not colonization. Those people did not set the arabs to work in their fields or force on them slave labour, they simply created their own communities independent of the existing arab communities."

1) 1500 years ago is a long time to remedy an injustice, is it not? And how can it be the "only" injustice when hundreds of thousands of native lost their homes in 1948?

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It is. But that doesn't mean it can't be remedied. Considering 1948 was long long after the major Jewish immigrations to Palestine, I don't see how there is a direct correlation between the Jewish immigration and the loss of homes.

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2) Why the e of quotation marks for "Arabs"?

[/ QUOTE ] Because the Arab "nation" was not a term used at the time (first century).

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3) There were Jews at the dawn of history? In any event, the vast majority of the population of Palestine at the start of Zionism (I mean Herzl's Zionist) was not Jewish. It was Palestinian.

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Since the dawn of recorded history in Canaan, arguably.

Regardless, Palestinian was a term used to refer to the Jews of Palestine, the Arabs referred to themselves as Arabs/Syrians/Egyptians/whatever. So by calling the population of Palestine "Palestinians" is a grave miscarriage of the word.

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4) Of course Zionism was colonization. It was advertised as a colonial enterprise by the founders of Zionism from the get-go.

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Calling it "colonization" was the only way to convince the European powers that be to allow the Jews to move there. There's little doubt that unless there was a European interest the immigration would never have been allowed, and the evidence that most land that became Jewish was purchased and not appropriated until after the War of Independence and the establishment of the seige on the Jews. It is also ridiculous to assert colonization when the non-Jewish natives were not interned or enslaved, or shipped back to England to serve under the King.

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5) There is plenty of evidence to contradict your rosy picture of the impact of Zionism on the natives. One doesn't have to rely on Arab propaganda, one can read Ahad Ha'am or other early Zionist settlers, Jabotinsky, Buber or other Jewish sources from a variety of political perspectives.

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See response to Q4.
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