[chezlaw]

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An axiom IS an unprovable assumption. It's "self-evidently true" because it can't be proven. "The Universe exists" is an axiom, and it is an unprovable assumption.


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No, no, NO. It's unprovable, but it is not an assumption. It's a proposition that is known to be true. It doesn't need to be true.

It's true in an obvious way. It's not "self-evidently true because it can't be proven." You either totally don't get this or you have a horrible way of explaining it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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You seem to have made a leap from the descartian 'I think therfore I am' to 'I think therefore an ordered universe exists'

How did you make this leap? or by an ordered universe do you just mean that as you exist then whatever is required for you to exist must exist.

chez