[oreogod]

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don't like the preflop call in hand 1 at all. don't like the turn check at all, definitely bet/fold.

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and if called by one or two players are u checking river?



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As far as what to do if hand 1 is checked to me here is Schneids/PJN?waffle from irc.


<oreogod>: okay u hold J5s OTB and limp after a MP limper and co poster. sb completes, bb checks. Flop is 235 w/ 2 clubs w/ 4 other players in. none of your suit, checked to u. Your action?
<Schneids>: um bet?
<waffle>: seems like an ez bet oreo
<@cnfuzzd> hmm
<@cnfuzzd> i can see a check here
<waffle> heh, i guess there's no turn you want to see other than one of your 5
<@cnfuzzd> i dont think it would be that bad
<@cnfuzzd> reverso implied odds
<@cnfuzzd> except
<waffle> if it's passive, you might be able to chk thru turn after you bet flop
<@cnfuzzd> alot of hands will call you,
<@cnfuzzd> however
<@cnfuzzd> most of those hands will be drawing quite live
<oreogod> well pjn, Im on the fence. I see a bet and a check. I dont think we get c/r'ed much, we get a lot of callers though.
<waffle> collectively, your opponents w/ have a shitload of outs against you
<+Schneids> if you cant bet here, fold j5s pf
<+Schneids> what kind of flop do you want?
<@cnfuzzd> bet
<+Schneids> because collectively your opps have a lot of outs you need to bet so they'll fold 98, q9, etc
<@cnfuzzd> i agree
<@cnfuzzd> its a bet

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As far as Hand 2. I had just read Barry Tannenbaums article on improper betting from the button and deceided to check here (because I usually dont...the article just flashed in my head and I was like, wtf, lets check). Thats the reason I posted the hand. River was kind of bleh. Which is another thing I was curious on as the guy played it weird. I usually call, but at least this was one of the times I was beat, guy flashed Kx. Got to love the super passives.