Re: Up or down
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i have 2 friends that are highly motivated with kids and make nothing right now(both of their families are poor too) but one is in law school about to graduate and the other just got his first job as a chiropractor, in the US there are no excuses for not becoming successful.
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Since the orginal question was not about "excuses for not becoming successful" but rather an empirical comparison of bankruptcies versus success stories, and since neither of your examples seem likely to fall into the category the OP was talking about, I'm not sure what your point is.
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