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if youre calling the turn raise here, you call the river bet.

unless the BB is rasing a draw on the turn here some substancial percentage of the time, nothing has changed.

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Actually, a lot has changed since every possible hand that villain could have except a bluff beats me on the river.

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so what you are saying is that the villain is indeed rasing his draws on the turn here a substancial percnatage of the time, at which point my proviso takes effect.

bascically, when you call that turn raise planning on folding to a river that completes the flush/gutshots, you have actually made the descision that the villain was on a draw a fairly large amount of the time. im not sure thats the case at all.