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I've been playing some 6 max HE myself, and to be honest, I find those games rather fishy. I seem to find a lot more "any two will do" types at those tables than I find at the stud tables. To be honest, a fish at the 5/10 stud tables is more along the line of an "any pair" type who doesn't care about his kicker or completions in front. We need to exploit these guys as much as possible, unfortunately we only have slightly less than a 2:1 advantage against them. Where as in hold 'em, you're fishy opponents are usually dominated and are in trouble if they're going to see the river.


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The thing is that while they're sometimes dominated, often they aren't. I'd loove to have a 2:1 advantage over my fishy opponents preflop, but it usually ain't happening -- I may raise with A9s and he may coldcall with his QTo, but even then I'm only a 3:2 favorite. And he's got position on me. (Though I guess you could say the same for Stud when I raise with TTK and he coldcalls with his 779.) In Stud, on the other hand, seems to me that your 3rd street advantage against the fish is bigger. In the games I was playing there were people limping in with monster hands like KQ3r, and in the Stud8 games the number of people seeing 4th with any two low cards (K74, that kind of thing) is simply amazing. (I've put in ~1000 hands at the 3/6 and 5/10 Stud8 at Party, so I have a better feel for the players in that game.)

I did get lucky a couple hands, but the skill differential just from preflop card selection seemed huge, and as I said, I think it's more important in Stud than in HE.


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In the past week, I've started playing more hold 'em, and I didn't think it would be as easy to find the fish, but it really is much easier. I think that's why you see people like mike emery leaving stud. There are more bad hold 'em players. There are also more experts too. That's not so bad though, you just try and stay out of their way.


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Well, I'm certainly not going to disagree with you about the number of fish playing shorthanded limit HE [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Thing is that what makes them fish is not just their poor preflop play, but poor postflop play, and while I may be wrong I feel more "protected" by playing smart preflop in Stud and Stud8 than I do in SH limit HE. My advantage preflop seems greater *and* it just seems easier to decide when to leave and when to stick around.

EDIT: Um, of course, my entire point in this thread was that the Stud fish I was up against sucked not just preflop, but postflop (calling me down all the way after I paired my door card). So I'm not really sure what my point is, after all of this.

Except that it's depressing to hear that the 5/10 Stud players normally aren't nearly as bad as they were last night.