[jhall23]

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With the villains hand range, you either need to get it in on the flop or fold when he raised you.

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We'll not sure exactly on the range, that's just my guess and would like to see if others agree. I am not sure I agree that I must push it in if I decide to play. I did consider a fold on the flop but it irk's me to fold to this almost min-raise crap.

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Calling and pushing the turn is horrid. If you call then push the turn, the villain still calls with the better hands you mentioned, but also gets to draw/bluff your ass out if a scare card hits for you.



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Of course he still calls with the better hands nothing we can do about that. But if a blank hits it is better to get it in on a safe turn when my equity is much higher. There are many drawing hands that really want to get in on the flop so they can see all the cards. They are often better then a coin-flip, but on the turn then loose a lot of equity if a blank falls. So I risk giving them the free shot to get to the turn but then will not give them a free card on the turn.

One advantage of the push is that it prevent's villian from pushing me off my hand if a scare card hits. But for this we need villian to be bluffing the flop and willing to follow up bluff on the turn. As said I think a bluff is possible on the flop, but do you think he will always bluff on the turn when he has just shy of a pot size bet left? Also I think the bluff on the flop is probably less likely then the other hands in his range.

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Calling, then pushing the turn accomplishes nothing.

If the villain has 99-QQ, you may fold them you may not. Im leaning towards not though, if an over card comes on the turn and you push because it is "safe", then you could possibly push villain off the hand he was going to call with on the flop.



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I disagree that it accomplishes nothing. If drawing it allows me to get the money in with higher equity as I stated above. Also I don't think 99-QQ calls that often. QQ might call the flop, but I think 99-JJ is probably stretching after raising PF and then 3 betting on the flop.

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This is why you absolutely need to fold or 3bet(large or all in) this flop.

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I think absolutely is pushing it here. Maybe a push is correct but I'm not convinced yet.