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that's assuming the set never loses. when they do they cost a lot. 10-1 is a fair goal

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I like that 10-1 estimate. So you are saying you would need to "make up" 3.75 + 2.5= 6.25 SB's? So in D's example what would the final pot size need to be to attain this? Do we remove the bets that D puts in himself? Is it just that D needs to get $65 total from other contestants when hitting a set?

I almost always fold pf here unless it was a blind stealing situation because I did not feel like i was getting proper set odds with implied odds... in addition to the 12pfr% 3betting is not a good thing. I typically use 5-1 as my marker. So in D's example, I would not play unless there was an additional 3bet coldcaller in addition to these other guys.

I am just trying to firm up the proper way to calculate how much you need to "make up". Or at least a sound thought process.