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Old 11-09-2005, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: Raising the flop w/overs

I laid out the numbers, but maybe not the thinking for why I think the odds are bad.

You are 3.2:1 against hitting an overcard by the river.

You are taking 4:1 odds if you raise the flop and villain calls.

On the surface this might seem like you have +EV edge. However, consider that:

- you are assuming clean overs
- he is on an OESD, you are facing a 5th street redraw, or he can have you dead on the turn (but you will call a river bet if you hit)
- some amount of the time (small perhaps, but measurable), the LP will donk the turn or three-bet the flop
- you could be drawing perfect-perfect on the flop, if he flopped two pair

Bottom line, while a raise could be correct against a tight player where there is some fold equity, against a loose passive leading into the preflop raiser (and the BB, by the way), I think the EV isn't there.
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