[dmk]

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raising the turn pretty much commits u imo

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obviously, the raise there would be a push because anything else is sort of absurd.

i was saying, having called the turn, we can still fold the river.


and, re: dmk, I guess what you are hoping when you call the turn is that the guy will slow the hell down. And he didn't. So we're clearly beat. Well, not clearly, but it certainly looks that way. But we did get one more piece of information before we had to make our decision. It just cost us too much.


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i hear ya, i just feel like we got that information on the turn.
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If he 3-bets you on the flop, are you folding straight away? Or calling and folding to a turn bet?


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folding
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What I'm suggesting with that question is that I wonder if the OPs line (assuming he folds the river) may have been the cheapest way away from this hand. Mine clearly wasn't =P.

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i still think raising the flop is cheapest, since you get to actually win the hand sometimes.