Re: A common situation that is rarely discussed
I think this is standard, your folding equity is low on a J high board, especially with an 8 as well - these mid range cards are both more likely to make pairs for your opponents and give them (crappy) draws that they'll see the turn with. even if he has just a 2, or 33, he has you beaten. betting can be correct on Axx, Kxx boards, again players who can fold. but since these opponents do not seem to be that type, you have to play a value game against them as opposed to bluff/semibluffing them.
IMO.
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