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Old 12-07-2005, 09:06 AM
bernie bernie is offline
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Default Re: 15/30 QJoffsuit - Not sure if I should have done this

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Congrats on taking down a big pot, but you should probably wait to isolate this guy until you get some better cards.

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This statement pretty much says it all, Isolating Lags out of position with Queen high is definitely -EV.

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Not necesarily. Better position maybe, but not better cards. However, if he thinks he can get the limpers to fold and get it HU with this guy, it might be worth trying.

But if the guy is actually overaggro that much preflop, and players are folding to 3 bets, you can isolate with alot worse hands than Q high.

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You have a point here, But I would have to have a good read on how the villain plays postflop before I would attempt to iso him with hands that have no showdown value. Obviously If I believe the villain will play tight postflop(ie fold many flops and/or calls the flop but folds many turns), because he respects my 3 bet, or any 3 bet in general,then I could see isolating with hands with no showdown value. I find this type of lag to be quite rare,which is why with no read I am not going to isolate a lag with a queen high type hand.

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Wouldn't you rather watch more closely to his preflop raising standards? Many times your Q high is much better than his beginning hand. Were not talking about someone raising normally here. You're giving him too much credit for a hand. Not to mention if you hit a Q or J, you'd like him to call down with his lesser hand.

Again, if someone is overaggro preflop, and the players behind you are playing tight to 3 bets, you can lower your standards quite a bit.

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