Re: Commerce floor ruling
As far back as I remember, Commerce always awards pots in this manner. If there is confusion, they ask the dealer what happened, and then they ask the players.
Unfortunately while most Commerce dealers are very responsible and professional, there are a few true idiots who have no business being card dealers. One of these was driven to tears a few years ago dealing omaha. Imagine a novice, incompetent dealer having to deal with the low limit Commerce omaha nits.
So monumental mistakes are pretty common.
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I think the floor made a terrible ruling.
As a matter of principle, the awarding of a pot cannot be based on what some people say they saw. Because from your point of view, they could all be partners. I feel very strongly that the winning hand has to be readily available for all (most importantly the losing hands) to see. If his hand is in the muck, and the pot has been pushed to you, then the hand should have been declared over.
Now if his hand had been accidentally turned over and everyone (including you) agrees which cards they are. And even if it accidentally touches the muck, the pot should then be rewarded to him.
But if there is no way for YOU to acertain for certain which cards are this, then his hand should be dead.
Poker is not a game which can rely on trusting people's words as to what they have. You have to be able to see his hand.
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