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Old 12-27-2005, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Weird hand I iso raise QT hit an iffy river

The starting hand chart says to fold. I suppose for the usual reasons: Not good enough to call with and play multiway, not strong enough to raise with and try and get HU with. Susceptible to domination.

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First I don't use starting hand charts. They just represent the OP's opinion on what <u>standard</u> plays are PF. They aren't situational. Using a starting hand chart at 5/10 is just plain silly. Second, I have no idea what starting hand chart you're referring to. The generally accepted one around here is MEbenhoe's:

So it avocates a limp, but that's beside the point. I raised because the blinds were tight and an unknown (basically) open limped in the CO. This is going to be HU a lot, and CO is going to have a worse hand a lot. Plus I'll have position on him. I really wouldn't even consider folding here unless I've seem CO limp in this spot with Ax or KT or something.

<u>Use Your Position</u>
Because it's checked to you and you have position on the field. Using that position you can often win the hand right here. You probably have the best hand anyway or are second best only to a King which will be hard pressed to call a bet from you.

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That is very wrong. If a TAGish player 3-bets me, I almost always have the worst hand with QT. There are really only 3 reasons he would check here.
-He has a mid-high PP and has decided I'm the type to bluff at it all the way to the river with nothing or he wants to CR and force CO out
-He has a monster like AA or AK and is afraid of scaring me out.
-He's a post flop pussy and he's checking KQ, KJ, QJs.

The first too are far more likely then the third, IMO.

<u>Get Better Hands to Fold</u>
You can get other better hands to fold such as any five, six, 77, 88, 99.

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He's not folding 77-99 very often and he's not 3-betting any hands with a 5 or a 6 and if he was they'd be 66,55,A6,A5.

<u>Don't Give a Free Card</u>
If you give a free card here, you give someone who might have folded a free shot to make a good or great hand like a set or a straight.

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But I want a free card. My hand sucks but I have a couple of BD draws.

<u>Semi-Bluff, You Have Outs.</u>
You also have other outs. Both your cards are higher than the middle card on the flop and either one would probably make top pair. You have a backdoor flush and BD straight draw.

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SB isn't folding often enough to justify this and CO could get stubborn with a PP.

<u>Clean up Your Outs</u>
The King [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] might correctly fold here, cleaning up your 8 Backdoor Flush outs.

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The parlay there is very small. He has to have 3-bet a hand with a K in it. It has to be the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. He has to have checked it. Then he has to fold it. This happens so rarely it's not really worth considering.

Any KQ or QJ might correctly fold here, cleaning up up to six of your Q and T outs.

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Sure, but he has other things far more then those.

<u>Set Yourself Up to Take it Down on the Turn</u>
If betting doesn't win the pot for you outright on the flop, it may set you up to take it down on the turn. The [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] that came set you up nicely to make another semi-bluff bet, but you no longer had the initiative that would help you take it down now, so you might as well just call this street.

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Betting the turn after betting the flop and getting called is very spewy and money loser. He's folding to the turn bet even less then the flop bet. If he called the flop, he's seeing SD, IMO.
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