zim, this is a very good thread.

made me think a little about the starting charts.. i do realize that good poker is a craft, but i would hazard that tons of people who think they've graduated from the charts would be shocked if they actually looked at one for a typical slightly loose game.

you are totally correct about the new environment where it seems like it is people multi-tabling with pokertracker looking for fish (basically like that sonar that recreational fish boats have).

you might want to try obscure poker sites (some fraud and bankruptcy risk) that don't allow pokertracker (or just too small for pokertracker to care about).

i understand there are lots of fish at sports betting site and/or those that don't work with pokertracker.

at the risk of offending an entire continent, i find europeans are more fun to play against. wonder if the twoplustwo books, and great books from other publishers, have been translated into all of the major european languages (i doubt it, but not sure).