[JojoDiego]

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Really? Thats a little weak tight don't you think? As for the "mindset" its based on what is likely since it is very difficult to put either of them on a hand due to their loose limping ranges.

On the flop we're behind a made flush (over 100:1), made straight J9 (another long shot), QQ, TT, 88 and QT and Q8. QQ we would likely have seen a raise preflop, TT or 88 only 1 combo each since I have the T and 8. QT and Q8 are somewhat reasonable possibilities (again I already have a T and 8). Anything else I'm ahead of. I'm ahead more often than not. With a straight and flush draw, its about 50/50. So what are you putting them on here? What are we fearing?

Don't forget we're getting something like 11:2 here.

Results soon.


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This is a classic fold your bottom two pair on the flop for 2 bets hand. I really don't like the mindset of some ppl to 'put them on a hand I am ahead of'.

One is betting the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] with a pair, the other is raising the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I'd limp preflop as well, but I'm not even sure you are ahead on the flop. I'd muck.

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I don't see how you can fold here with that pot size, the strong chance you are ahead, and your 4 outs to a monster. So, do you call or 3-bet?

If you're ahead, certainly many turn cards can hurt you. But if you 3-bet, you very well may knock out folks drawing to a bigger 2 pair, sets, gutshots or backdoors. I'm therefore leaning toward protecting our hand here with the 3-bet. And if those weak draws call incorrectly, you've gained much value, correct?

A big reason to wait for the turn is if a flop bet won't protect your hand, right? It appears a reraise here will protect your hand.