i just noticed that you continued to bloviate in your post...my apologies for not scrolling for 2 hrs. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

and yes, the "objective" for LOOSE om8 games (not tight/agg) is to play tighter, and try and start with the best possible POTENTIAL SCOOPING HAND--in the words of Scotty N. "That's what its ALL about bbbbaby!" [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

THE FOOL