[MaxPowerPoker]

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If we correct Max’s words -

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Each of these instances has Jesus the messiah as its ultimate object of faith.

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to:

Each of these instances has Jesus the Messiah as its SUBJECT (of faith).

Is that what he meant or should have meant?

If this doesn't help the conversation, then ignore it go on and explain to Max what you mean.

Best regards,


RJT

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That would probably be more precise. I'm sure that Abraham did not understand that the promise of God was referring to a singular person. And he certainly did not know the name Jesus. So it would not be precise to say that Abraham believe in Jesus, strictly speaking. He believe the promise of God. God was promising Jesus even if Abraham did not fully comprehend. We have the luxury of being on this side of the cross and a fuller revelation. A consistent theme of the New Testament is revealing mysteries that were not previously known. I'm going to start rambling, so I'll shut 'er down now.