i tell ya what marlow.. unlike many people on here.. you provided great information as to the reads on the players, your reasoning and your reads.. i like where your head is going at in the first place. SO with that said.. i like your reasoning but me personally.. i like to move in with a little better of a hand than J-10.. only because you may have live cards at best. i'd rather move in w/ a hand like 7-8 suited.. because you're almost positive you have a live hand.. but i really really like your reasoning and everythign you've provided here besides the usual hand converter from an online hand.. you have a bright future.