[nicky g]

There's a fairly popular game in the UK called superstud -each player gets 5 cards down, discards 2, sets the other three as a stud hand (with whatever upcard they choose) and it plays as stud 8 from then on. Good in hte situation you describe because not only do the players play hilo and nuts games extremely poorly, but they also will keep the dumbest cards. We play it pot limit, dunno how if it would work as a limit game.