[Vehn]

If I raise the turn with position specifically with a hand that I intend to check the river with, I do it with the knowledge that I simply cannot call a turn 3-bet. If my opponent 3-bets me with a worse hand then I was outplayed - so be it. I also immediately take him off the "sane" list [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. But the real thing to consider (and I can't believe you didn't stress it you sklanskymunchkin) is that you need to do this only when you have no outs. Basically hold'em really does boil down to "check(call) with outs, bet(raise) with no outs". In my example if the turn was a 9 (or you had AT to begin with) it would probably be a mistake to raise the turn unless you have a real read on your opponent.