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Old 10-23-2005, 08:35 AM
tylerdurden tylerdurden is offline
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Default Re: Government\'s role in our society

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You're not saying that the private sector has no corruption, right?

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No. Read again. Private sector corruption in inevitably tied to government regulation.

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Can reasonable people agree on the exact length of the sentence for these crimes?

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Do they need to? Why? We don't have that currently.

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Can you make sure that everyone buys into and has a say in the justice system?

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A free market in justice would give everyone more buyin than any current system.

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Perhaps we should have a public forum to debate and decide what the crimes are, and their punishments. A decision making process for these laws would be very useful, huh?

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That's exactly what the free market is. A decision making process. There's just no single person making any decision.


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What difference does it make where the money comes from as long as the crime is investigated and prosecuted?

There are more ways to fund private enforcement than just a pay-per-case basis.


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Would you like to give an example?

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Insurance.


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Really? Wow. A slave has no complaint? Come on. This doesn't require much imagination.


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Terror can be a great reason not to go to the police.

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So how does a state-monopoly police force have any advantage here?

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Hmm... Something better and more efficient? Would you mind explaining that part, or are you just objecting to taxes on a moral level?

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Yes, I object to taxes on a moral level. Additionally, government spending is inherently inefficient. There really isn't any argument here.

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Government does it more easily because it uses force. Does that ease excuse the violence?

How would private road owners "extort people to drive"?


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Supply and demand cost of using a road is far greater than the actual cost of building a road. Use your imagination, see what happens. I do not see how private roads in this day and age would work more effectively than public ones.

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So if the market doesn't value roads in their current form enough to justify their construction, can't we conclude that current roads are wasteful? Why should we build them if nobody wants to pay for them?

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When a single combined effort is more efficient than many individual efforts, government should be used.

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Even if it's coercive? It doesn't matter, because no scenario exists where centrally-planned effort will outperfrom market effort.


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Who cares if it's coercive? You have a choice between two crappy options, and one "forced" good one, that actually seems to work. I'll limit my options as to take the better one.

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But what if I don't agree that the "forced" option is "better"? You're oppressing me by forcing me to accept your opinion.

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If there's no profit, why is it worth doing?


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Einstein didn't earn a lot of money for the general theory of relativity. There's no short-term profit in string theory. I don't think we should give up on those yet.

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You're not answering the question.

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Once the private sector becomes interested enough in space exploration, the government can start pulling out.

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Why should the government be in it before such point where private parties are interested?


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Because you never know when +EV occurs. Because there are huge benefits towards long-term research that no one can predict.

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Sure. But the private sector is demonstrably better at conducting pure research than government-directed efforts.

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I don't give a damn, and considering how +EV government is over anarchy (sudan), I really don't think it's a smart idea to care that you are force to pay for government services.

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The situation in the Sudan (I assume you're referring to Darfur) is not anarchy. It's a direct result of government.
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