[Dave D]

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If you're saying hero should fold, that's awful, and awful weak tight. Especially because we have no reads on villian. This is an easy call without thinking twice.

Wait wait don't tell me, AK is a "drawing hand" right?

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I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was replying to this passage:

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Incidently, think about how badly villian played this hand in this situation. If he has AA/KK/QQ/AK why in the WORLD would you push back against a shorter stack? The only thing that calls you is something that beats you (probably), and most of the time people will fold w/o those 4 hands. So villian loses his chance to win lots of chips with a premium hand like basically 90% of the time here. It's awful. What if villian has a mid pair, that's even worse. Anyone with half a braincell is going to think "hmm, EP raise, he probably has a group 1", pushing means that you're probably gonna get called, and you're hoping for a coinflip at best. The best play here would be to just call. Short story is, people are dumb.

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I took that to mean you thought the villains best play was to just call the UTG raise, which is what my reply addressed.

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Ok yeah, i wasn't 100% sure what you meant, I couldn't find what you were quoting exactly. I'm not sure what you mean by ratios tho.

Now that we know villian had 10s things are a little different. The more I think about it, the more I like his play here, but *only* with tens. I would have just called with 9s (or maybe folded, its close), and I think I would have pushed back with Jacks. I call with Queens and up. The reason is, I want deception value, and I think I can extract more. Pushing back with a premium hand is just too likely to get a fold, and I'd rather slow down and try to make sure I can get him to commit a large part of his stack. And I can afford to do this with QQ, KK, AA, I'm not that worried about getting drawn out on heads up.