[sthief09]

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ok, well you might be right that he doesn't understand the game well, but anyone who's just saying to fold this hand without considering all the factors doesn't either

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sigh.

Public service announcement: this thread has been derailed from the turn action of this hand for a decision that, if wrong, is wrong by mere pennies if hero plays well postflop.

when someone asks a turn question, at least answer that question before you throw in AS AN AISDE "I would fold this preflop"

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it's not derailed. there is nothing to learn from the turn decision. he provided no specific reads on the players, and it's impossible to give good advice when the guy could be anywhere from loose passive to a maniac. new players all play differently. the standard would be to call down. it's not that complicated. most people won't raise without 2 pair. the turn was an overcard. it probably made him kings up. you can't fold though. what's so interesting and important about this?

what's important here is that people aren't considering their opponents' abilities. whether or not that's worth pennies or dollars here is irrelavent. understanding that, like position, superior ability enables you to play looser is critically important, and it's being completely overlooked by EVERYONE here.