[Peter666]

The heart of this matter, as you brought up in this thread, is the question of Church vs. State. Those who are true adherents of any of the world's major religions cannot have the idea of Seperation of Church vs. State reconciled, as it would contradict their beliefs. From the Christian perspective, the Church is always above the State as the Church leads to one's eternal ends (heaven etc.) while the State is merely a temporary measure helping to organize one's temporal affairs. When the temporal gets in the way of the spiritual, the spiritual position must be adhered to first. A Christian who says they believe in the seperation of Church and State is contradicting themselves.

The idea of true liberalism, which basically means let everybody do what they want so long as it does not hurt anyone else, cannot ever work practically in the governance of a state, so long as there are different philosophical and religious views of people within that state. One group will contradict another group leading to a power struggle.

There is no such thing as a practical pure liberalism (just like there is no such thing as a pure communism). What we really have in our society is an authoritarian rule of a predominant belief structure imposed on us.

When the founding fathers of America came together, they really formed a pseudo Christian/Masonic state which the majority of the people then adhered to, because that is how they lived their lives practically. These days, with the collapse of Christian influence on culture and the rise of socialism, America has become a political battleground of what we call "conservative" (the older Christian/Masonic) vs "liberal" (the newer socialist/liberal) types of views.

A democracy is not an effective way to please all the different groups. If we were really smart, we would divide America into sections, and say: Christians here, Catholics here, Liberals here, Socialists here, etc, and stop the arguing. Let these groups make their own laws of the territory.