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just calling is a huge mistake with 22-88 (all of which are 2 outers)???????????? get nothing more if he misses???? he ponied up the extra 480, correct?

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He is putting 480 into a pot 1710, so getting about 3.5:1 on an 8.5:1 shot. However, when he makes a set, he will get a big chunk, if not all, of Hero's stack. So with the implied odds he is getting, this is in fact a much more profitable situation for a Villain holding 33 than for a Hero holding AA.
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foucalt, i can see an argument for getting player 10 to donate preflop. but their is no guarantee that he is going to call a reraise and a re-reraise. I want at a minimum his 480 going into the pot. Isnt the OP's title "getting value..."? This is pretty basic stuff here if we are talking about betting/playing for value.

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480 is chump change. I want Villain's stack, and I want to protect my stack. You are correct that there are hands he will fold to Hero's raise, but most of those are hands that would be getting close to the correct expressed odds and the correct implied odds if we don't raise. Raising also maximizes value against hands that will call and then get it in with top pair on the flop, as I explained before.

You are thinking about this the wrong way. Your goal is not to get little bits of money in the pot no matter what. Your goal is to induce mistakes by your opponent and avoid making mistakes of your own. Raising is the best way to do that.