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Old 11-24-2005, 09:15 PM
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Default Re: Why do we fold QTo from UTG?

QTo: Its a terrible hand in EP

a. if someone raises behind your hand is definitly dominated and you are out of position.
b. there is a HIGH chance someone will raise behind you.
c. if no one does your limp encourages others to limp. QTo does not play well in multi-player pots, and your out of position.

So in either case, a raiser, or a lot of callers... your screwed and have a small chance to win the pot.

T9s: Can only be played early in very loose games 5+ to the flop every time with very little preflop raising. And if there is everyone calls anyways. If you are playing a normal game like 2/4+ at party it has the same problems at QTo except it plays better vs the raising hands, but only marginally. Now if you limp and a lot of people do then its ok except for the fact you are out of position.

Now take the reverse where you are on the button and 5+ callers are in then raising with T9s becomes correct. Even if you are 2nd best hand because your hand plays so well in multi pots and you have position you can control the pot and now will have odds to call for marginal draws.

In fact there is an article out there that states with a hand like that JTs, QJs, and other hands that play well multiway (5+ callers) that even if someone raises behind you should ram and jam the pot. As long as all the previous callers still call the raises. Even if the opponent who raised has AA your hand T9s has more equity than the average loose caller and thus you are building a pot for yourself and the AA player. But to do this you have to be in a looooose game with suckers, 5+ to the flop.
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