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So I reduce his hand to J8 or Jx

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I would say I felt I had him beat about 35% after the river card came.

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These statements contradict each other.

So all you can beat is a stone cold bluff, really. But even the most passive fish pull some weird bluffs sometimes.

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I was simply stating that I was more confident in my hand on the turn than I was after the Jack on the river. It was a tough situation. My read was right though...