[bnorthro]

I live in Irvine/Newport beach. Commerce is about 30-40 minutes from here (25 min late at night, probably 1 1/2 hours during rush hour). I asked about Hawaiian Gardens a few days ago, from the responses it sounds allright for lower limits. I think that may be a bit closer, but not much. If you do go to HG, post and let me know how it was, I'd like to head up there one of these days after work.