[chezlaw]

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So, chezlaw or anyone else, I'd like to see something that defends the belief that murder is "wrong" (in a strictly moral sense - no societal pragmatism) and that holding such a belief is rational.

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I never said murder is wrong, just that its not inconsitant to not believe in god and to believe murder is wrong.

Murder is normally taken to mean something like wrongful killing so its leans towards being wrong by definition. But unless its by definition I do not think it makes sense to claim moral beliefs are irrational or rational.

chez