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Old 01-25-2005, 02:16 PM
jedi jedi is offline
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Default Re: Everyone who wants to \"charge the flush draws\" PLEASE READ

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Oh, wait, he says: "A player who calls your bets or raises when he has flopped four to a flush is not making a mistake. However, if you check and let him draw at his flush for free you are giving him infinite odds on his draw...which is far better for him than your charging him a bet for his draw." WLLHE p. 86-87 (italics in original, bold added).

This passage is wrong because it implies that someone who flops a flush draw on the button should check if it is checked to him. That is usually not the case.


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This thread was linked to from another, and I wanted to post a hand which I thought was interesting last night.

3/6 B&M casino. Players are mostly loose passive (with an exception or 3). The table is 9 handed.

Jedi is BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

There are 4 other limpers in the hand, plus the small blind. Button-2 is agressive, has fairly loose starting requirements. Button is fishy, will play anything that looks pretty and is pretty passive, though he'll gamble it up if everyone else is already.

(6 small bets)
Flop comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I have top pair, flush draw.

SB checks. I bet, 2 callers, Button-2 raises. Button calls, SB folds. I reraise, 2 cold-callers. Button-2 calls, Button now caps. All call.

(13 big bets now)

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet out, get 3 callers this time. (Button-2 and button)

(17 big bets)

River: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet, 1 call. Button-2 calls, Button Raises. I re-raise. The other 2 fold and button calls me down.

I show my hand. Button shows J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for a lower flush. Button-2 shoots me a dirty look: "You were behind the whole way. I had A9."

Even if I knew what he had, did I play this poorly? I don't think I did. I built the pot with top pair, decent kicker (button-2 would raise with 9T in this spot) and a flush draw. While I might not have chosen to play this hand in early position, I didn't have much of a choice with the free look in the BB. I did what I could and caught 1 of my (as it turned out) 10 outs.
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