Re: 5-5 NL at Foxwoods - very deepstacks
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So you would advocate open-limping in MP w/ 1010?
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Yes. Mix it up (especially when you are opening), but mostly I would limp with TT here. The reason is that you have described the game as people way overbetting their hands (not to mention the pot).
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And only raising w/ AA-JJ and AK?
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I wouldn't say "only", because you have to mix it up. Sometimes I would raise with 67s, but barely ever in this game (which sounds like a fish pond). Sometimes I would limp with JJ or even QQ. I mean, there are people raising more than twice the pot with nothing, remember?
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Hero may be the shallow stack, but he's still got plenty of room to manuever w/ 200 bb's in front of him.
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You would think so. This would be the case in a normal game; however, you have described this game as being full of LAG fish who routinely over bet/raise the pot by massive margins, even when they are up against weak-tight nut peddlers.
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I think not raising here is incredibly weak-tight,
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You have to adapt your strategy to differing game conditions. If that means playing like a weak-tight nut peddler, then so be it. Some games you should play tighter than normal (and vice versa). This is one of them.
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and makes for all kinds of uncomfortable situations when the flop comes 8-high, for example, and gives us what amounts to a marginal overpair, which will often be the best hand but that we probably won't feel comfortable playing for our stack with . . .
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Yeah, playing for your stack with a marginal hand is not good. We both agree there is no need to do that. Imagine if (gasp) a real fluke occurred and an OVERCARD to your precious TT hit.
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I think you are missing out on some serious value by not raising here. I'm not trying to be a dick, but have you ever played in this game? 'Cause if you're only raising w/ five hands in this game, you're gonna get slaughtered.
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You're not being a dick at all. Explain to me how I would get slaughtered. Even if I took it to the extreme and only set mined, apparantely there are LAG fish who will raise me when I finally come out betting the flop. They won't run
me off of any strong hands. They can keep the $5 blinds if they want them. What I want is for them to make one of their intimidating 2X pot raises when I finally come alive. Can they really be that clueless (again, this is how the game has been described in response to OP's post).
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You're right, folding is not ridiculous, especially since it's an unraised pot, and villain very well could have the straight.
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It sounds like these guys call raises with garbage too.
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Yet he could also have a smaller set, two pair, a pair and a flush draw, or a straight draw/flush draw combination. He could also have absolutely nothing.
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So why is it wrong to set mine in this game?
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The point is, by buying in for the minimum in this game, where people are routinely sitting down w/ 1000 BBs+++, you might as well hang a sign around your neck that says, "weak-tight nut peddler: raise me at will."
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Again, this makes no sense. I WANT them to raise my bets (or should I just say "sets"). Nut peddlers love LAG fish who think the proper thing to do is aggressively raise a nut peddler who is sitting with a short stack.
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If I'm sitting there in that game w/ only a grand in front of me, I feel pretty good about getting my stack in with top set here, and if I lose, then so be it.
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Exactly.
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And one more thing: if OP had popped it up to $35/$40 or so preflop (standard open for the foxwoods 5-5 game), then the straight would be at least somewhat less of a concern, and hero's hand becomes a bit easier to play, imo.
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If the standard open is 8X the BB, then I would advocate playing very tightly preflop.
Is hero looking to double through or play easy hands? My main source of confusion is this; you describe the hero as probably being way ahead, but you want him to make the hand "easier" to play.
What can be easier than set mining in this game? It really sounds like a great place to buy in for $800 or so and double through the LAGs who are playing very deep stack no limit with each other. From all the descriptions we have read, they just love to put the "short" stacks all-in with all kinds of holdings. Sign me up...
Just to return to one of my earlier points...
How do you reconcile these two ideas (both of which you seem to espouse, if I am not mistaken):
1. you need to raise PF with TT to start building a pot
2. people will raise you all-in for many times the pot
with semi-bluffs or pure air
Is it because you think LAGs playing with 1000BBs will fold to a MP opener who routinely raises all kinds of hands? They may all fold if they have nothing and you are the only one in the pot with them. I rather play the TT for set value against these hyper aggressive fish, rather than take their blinds. The reason I am calling them "fish" is because that is how they are being described.
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