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I guess this is more a beginners post or micro post, but i think it may generate better discussion here and is relevent to shorthanded as well as full ring.

Ok, So speaking to a few people over AIM/MSN and seeing hands on this forum it seems many people neglect the use of free card play.

I've had discussions on AIM and MSN and they've had similar discussions with their contacts.

So i think its time for everyone to get chatting about it and apply it more after all... a free card is saving us money and thats definatly going to increase our winrate.


So heres an example,

<font color="red">Read Now we've got a read on CO, he plays any two cards giving him a wide range and will bet any pair. he may have Jacks 4's or 7's, maybe 2pair.. a set... its very wide.</font>

I've had to add some posters to get some money in the pot to make this example useable. I could have just said bill gates throws some chips on the table... Its to reduce the varibles so we're focused on the Freecard play as opposed to arguing over the preflop raising and folding affecting CO's hands or "The Bunching Effect" and whatever else.

Hero on button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 handed)
UTG Posts, UTG1Posts, CO calls,<font color="red">Hero Raises</font>, SB folds,BB folds, UTG folds, UTG1 folds, CO Calls.

Flop:<font color="green">7.5SB</font> 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img](2 Players)
<font color="red">Loose passive bets...</font>



Outs, Odds and why we're continuing
7.5:1 we assume all our outs are clean agreed? thats 6 outs requiring 7:1 or so.

This is a great time for a free card play no? i checked the lines.




Free card line FLOP<font color="green"> 7.5SB</font>
<font color="red">LPP bet</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, LPP calls.

Turn:<font color="green">5.75BB(11.5SB)</font> 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
LLP checks, Hero(we) check.

River:
We got to the river for 2SB(1BB).



NON-Free card line FLOP<font color="green"> 7.5SB</font>
<font color="red">LPP bets</font>, We call.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="green"> 5.25BB(10.5SB)</font>
<font color="red">LPP bets</font>, We...

Well now we're to the turn, we have 6outs still and get 6.25:1 on our call. We need atleast 6.7:1 and may be tempted to fold(However we do have implied odds of 1BB-2BB we may get on the river if he doesn't wimp out).


It seems in this example, no only has the free card play saved us bets and got us to the river. Its potentially saved us giving up a pot on the turn that we may do.

If we factor in rake, the pot will be reduced in both examples.

<font color="red">However had we continued</font>,the river would have cost us 1SB on the flop + 1BB on the turn.

Thats 1.5BB taking the pot to 7.25BB(3SB Post flop investment) without the free card play as opposed to 5.25(2SB Post flop investment) when we did use it.

Of course we'll often miss, so the final pot size is fairly irrelevant but we will be paying to see the turn and river often so this is the main worry.

Discussion

As for a discussion, can some of you guys help me out and post some hands where you used the free card play against a passive predictable villan.

Maybe then we can pick apart a real hand history that has rake factored in to see the results of not using this concept.

Do you use it enough in your game?
Would you have used it in this example?

Don't need to post here with the answers to the above but if its NO then maybe applying it to your game will increase your winrate.
0.5SB over XXXX number of hands will ammountup.

Of course i've no idea how often a free card situation comes up, but 1SB saved is 1SB gained...(Not in the weak tight sense of folding though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])

P.s. This example may be floored, i've checked it but i'm sure i've overlooked some elements of this hand aswell as things such as equity. However i've reduced the varibles by assuming our outs are clean as the arguement over outs is not what this post is made for.