I realize this is kind of an old thread, but I was recently directed to it in another thread. My question is on hand #5. The concensus seems to be bet. I used to always bet this type of hand, but now I'm starting to wonder. With 4 people in the pot you are very rarely going to fold them all, and many times you get two callers. Also with 4 there is a decent chance you one of them hit something, and unless it is the 7 you are beat. Do you really think you can fold a J here often enough to make this bet correct? Also what do you do on the turn with two callers and something larger than an 8 falls?