[elitegimp]

I count 14 outs, not just 12 -- eight clubs (since the 8 is in Villians hand), three Jacks (already counted the club), and three Kings (since Villian only had a pair of Qs). And what were you refering to when you said "11 of them nuts"? You have the nut flush draw and the nut straight draw... clearly the three Ks wouldn't give you the nuts, but you didn't seem to count them; your 11 other outs would.