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Old 09-20-2005, 05:40 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: A3s in big multi-way pot.

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hands seems way over thought for .5/1 [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] i'm betting that flop for value and charge flush draws and straight draws now instead of waiting.

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Charging the flushes draws is an idea perpetuated by Lee Jones, and ridiculed by Ed Miller.

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"Charging the flush draws" is a silly idea on some level, but the silliness is essentially semantic. Most of the situations where Jones talks about "charging the flush draws" as the reason for betting are probably situations where you should bet, but the primary reason is for value . The only times where the idea becomes misleading is situations where betting/raising does not have obvious value (you may well be way behind) and where flush draws cannot be protected against (situations where raising will not fold any good draws but will fold bad draws). There is some particular truth to the idea, though, in that it is true that players who are drawing will put in money on early streets but not on late streets unless they have hit; this is really an extension of the "value" idea, though.

FWIW, I think checking this flop is really dumb. Just bet. You are way ahead here very often and you're missing tons of bets. Letting any hand here draw for free is stupid. You can't defend against good draws, sure, but you can encourage hands with backdoor, set, maybe even gutshot outs to fold.
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